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Tarot Cards for Skeptics with Jade Rivera of It’s Not In the Cards

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Is it in the cards? Jade Rivera, an intuitive tarot card reader, was able to see beyond skepticism of tarot cards to harness tarot cards as a tool to be used to aid in personal growth and development. Learn more about how often tarot cards should be read, finding an individual tarot card reader you trust and understanding the lessons behind the card. 

Here’s what you’ll learn: 

  • How did Jade go from being a skeptic to the world of tarot card reading?
  • Prejudice about tarot readers due to the large number of people who do not work honestly.
  • How does tarot reading work and how often should you go?
  • Mentalists VS Tarot Readers. What is the difference?
  • Why tarot reading is not predicting the future.
  • Jade reads Emily’s cards!

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Emily Merrell  

Welcome to the 60 degree podcast, the podcast where we grill our guests about the things that make them tick and find out how human connection plays a role in their life. I’m your host, Emily Merrell.

 

Hello, and welcome back to the 60 degree with Emily Merrell. The podcast where we grill our guests about the things that make them tick and find out how human connection plays a role in their life. I’m your host Emily. Today I am so personally excited for our speaker and our guest. Jade Rivera Jade is an intuitive tarot card reader. Jade, welcome to the show. Hi, thank you so much for having me. It’s wonderful to be here. Oh, you have such calming energy just from the get go. I feel like I’m like a hyped up Chihuahua. And you are like a spa treatments are like a sedative. So thank you for bringing me down to calm but so it’s interesting. The theme of today’s show is intuition. And I thought like what, um, what a perfect fit to be talking to a tarot expert like yourself and to be talking about tarot cards. So a very, very intuitive, or a match made in some sort of heaven, some sort of some great place, some great place, great place. So Jade, you describe yourself as the embodiment of Tarot and the rhythmic philosophy of life through a skeptics lens. So how did a skeptic break into the world of tarot card reading? And, yeah, get into this, it’s a very misunderstood term. You know, a skeptic doesn’t just not believe anything. You know, a skier rather a skeptic is open, a skeptic believes that everything could be true, and nothing could be true. And so they feel comfortable living in that ambiguous space and navigating life from that space. So they’re nobody’s fool. Right? Right. But then they also aren’t certain that they have all the answers. And so it’s really a true learner space, a skeptic spaces is a true learner space. And that that that place where we learn has always been very fascinating to me. So it’s really just an openness. Were you always a skeptic your whole life? Or was that something that to adulthood? I think so I’ve always seen sort of a full spectrum, you know, the full spectrum of any given scenario. And so,

 

Jade Rivera  

you know, that’s just kind of my natural disposition. And so always been questioning why is it like that? Why is it like that? Why is it like that? And I think that that’s part of what sets me aside from sets me apart rather from other Tarot readers. I could imagine you in fifth grade. I’m sure your teachers probably were like, stop asking me why. Yes.

 

Emily Merrell  

A lot of a lot of that. I don’t know why Pangea was pinned.

 

That I told you.

 

That That reminds me of me, I was that kid who? Atlanta Morissette was popular when I was growing up. And I really couldn’t understand ironic, especially the examples in that song. Ironic, which turned out not to be ironic.

 

So I would

 

Jade Rivera  

go in hoping you were gonna get.

 

Emily Merrell  

But I would ask my parents daily. Because I was like, why is the black fly in that Chardonnay? And I was like, What is Chardonnay? And I would go into third grade. And I would, I would Bard, my teachers or fourth grade asking them like, what is this and I just couldn’t wrap my brain around it. So I do feel like there needs to be a redo for for people who just want to know what irony really.

 

Jade Rivera  

irony is a subtle, it’s a subtle point. It’s some it’s difficult to explain, but you know, when you see it, exactly.

 

Emily Merrell  

Don’t think of black fly, and you’re sure to me.

 

And I remember my mom saying, and it’s fancy wine, and then like having Chardonnay as an adult, not in a fancy capacity. Realize. There’s nothing

 

Jade Rivera  

ironic about Yeah, no.

 

Emily Merrell  

So, as a skeptic, how did you get introduced to tarot cards? Where were you raised in a family of individuals who were intuitive, or was it something that you’ve gravitated to on your own? Well, my grandparents are Puerto Rican and they live in Puerto Rico and they are both lifelong mystics. So have always spent a lot of time

 

Jade Rivera  

With esoteric texts, different modalities, I Ching was really an astrology is really important to my grandfather. And different forms of meditation and even astral projection are very important to my grandmother. And you know, I grew up with them intermittently but it all that had a big big effect on me It spoke to a deep place in me right away. And then alongside of that, I’ve always loved playing cards and I’ve always loved cards. And I wanted to learn magic tricks wet and I think every kid goes through a phase where they want to learn car tricks and magic tricks and they think maybe I’ll be a magician show on the road here and so I was at the library during library day and elementary school and I checked out a book on on playing kind of card tricks. And in the back they had a section on telling fortunes with playing cards, which is something you can do, which is something which is particularly Latin way of designing and so and so I got into it, I just I’ve selected a lot and started studying and playing you know, back then it was really about like trying to read people’s minds and like tell the fortune and predict the future. And that’s not what I’m about now at all, but that’s how I got my start and you know over time that evolved into Tarot and now over 30 years later it’s still something I practice

 

Emily Merrell  

Wow. So I always think of like little entrepreneurs on the playground. Here you are with like your little your little table hockey fortunes. Yeah. Brian, I bet you’re gonna get I predict a B plus on your test.

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, totally. $40 was mainly my siblings that I tortured with it.

 

Emily Merrell  

I love that and I love that you You said it as a way that like card tricks like it was something that was a trick initially but now I don’t think use it sounds like you don’t see Tarot as a as a trick or like a form of manipulation. But that is a great reminder though. When you think of a tarot card reader. You think of like a crystal ball and you think of someone kind of taking being taken advantage of. I don’t know if that that’s an image that that’s conjured

 

Jade Rivera  

when it’s a big problem. Yeah, it’s a big problem. And it’s unfortunate it’s a big problem. It’s when I see it, I call it out. And as such, I don’t actually have a large community of readers in my life. Because finding a reader who works in integrity with reality is is a difficult find, and I’m proud to be one that’s

 

Emily Merrell  

that’s crazy. I mean, it is interesting to think how many don’t work with integrity. I had the opportunity to learn how to read tarot deck, a tarot deck I think it was in 2016 It was so cool just understanding the meaning behind the cards a little bit. So can you describe to people who are brand spanking new to Tarot? Like how a tarot reading works and operates

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, so I’m a person typically has a question or as seeking clarity around you know, something that they can’t find clarity around in any other way. Maybe it’s something that just feels slightly beyond them or it’s mysterious and they just want some clues about you know, the best way to approach any given situation or scenario. And so you reach out to someone me maybe, and you know, I will I will set up a time and I’ll just talk to you I have a very conversational way of reading so you know, I just talked to people and start pulling cards and letting them know what I see and then they ping off of that and then I pull some more and then they can go off of that and it’s really just a big exploratory conversation around whatever’s up for that person and offering sort of guidance or advice based off of the story that the cards tell so that they can then go make wise decisions and use wise discernment and their dealings you know,

 

Emily Merrell  

so it’s essentially kind of like a roadmap to make hopefully the right choices or to navigate

 

Jade Rivera  

or just to make choices that are in alignment with your values you know, it’s it’s like we all when we operate from our values even if something doesn’t work out, then we still know that we did a good job right? So I feel like Taro really helps with that.

 

Emily Merrell  

And how often do you think individuals should approach going to a tarot reading?

 

Jade Rivera  

That’s a really great question and it’s so individual it’s it’s just from person to person and you know, some people you know, and you could really create a correlation with like an astrological natal chart as to you know, As to how long how much a person should should read or should not read. And I think that getting one quarterly, beginning of the beginning of the season, beginning of the year for your birthday, you know, those are all times a full moon, a new moon, those are all great times to get a tarot reading. And it just has to do with, you know, what’s up for you at that time. But I do think it’s a nice way to sort of punctuate for when we come back to that rhythmic philosophy of life. That’s what I’m speaking to, I’m speaking to lunation phases and seasons, and years, that’s as the sort of move as you sort of move through all those aspects of reality, kind of taking a moment and like taking the temperature, seeing where you’re at, where am I at? Where am I at?

 

Emily Merrell  

I like that. And I like thinking of it. Or I like the idea of thinking of it kind of like a check in like, you go to the doctor or you go to the dentist twice a year for a tooth.

 

Jade Rivera  

Exactly. Right. That’s a really good way of putting it. Yeah, that’s exactly right.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah. And I mean, it’s the same. I feel like self it’s a form of self care, or like personal development, life like a therapist and whatnot. Before I asked you my next question, I want to tell you a personal story. Two years ago, on the morning of May 4, my apartment had a terrible fire. It was actually after one of the best nights I’ve had of my entire life, too. I had gone to a whispering Angel Party, which is so unrelated to the fire, but it was just a blast. I had a great time. My husband had had a great week as well, and come home fall asleep on the couch. And we both wake up to a neighbor knocking on our door telling us that there’s a fire outside of our apartment. What started off as a little fire quickly escalated. You know, San Francisco, it’s windy, everything is super dry. And I walked out wearing a party dress or ran out we’re in a party dress barefoot. What my favorite leather jacket I got asked about more than anything if that survived the fire, which was hilarious. But didn’t bring my phone didn’t bring my money, like didn’t bring anything because I just assumed it was going to be taken care of really quickly. Sure. So long story long that same day. That’s still amazing day, I had gone to my beautiful co working space. I don’t know if you when you came to San Francisco if you ever went to the assembly, but it was a magical, marvelous place that was had acupuncture and workout classes. And sometimes they had tarot card readers. And that Friday, I got to drink that happy hour and booked a 15 minute session with the tarot card reader. And she pulled out five cards, the hermit the tower, which is this terrifying image of a woman falling from a burning tower, the lovers, the three of cups and the 10 of cups. Yeah, so while I’m telling you this, the reason I’m telling you this is, you know, as I stood outside my apartment, what I had told her when she pulled off the cards were things that I could kind of like assume were going on in my life, you know, yeah, someone is sick, that that’s probably this or I couldn’t, I couldn’t have like real concrete things. But all of those cards very much unfolded in timely fashions throughout the rest of the year. So long story long. My question to you is, as a tarot card reader, how much do you know? And as a consumer, what sort of questions should we be asking? and advocating for?

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, let’s see how much do I know. So when you receive a reading from a person that’s been reading, as long as the as long as I’ve been reading, that person brings all their life experience to the table, right? So I’ve been an academic, I’ve been a school builder, I’ve been a scientist, I’ve been an author, and entrepreneur, you know. So all that experience turns into story around the archetypes that are in the card. So you can talk to me about a lot of things and it’s likely that I’ve gone through it as well and to some degree, and so, you know, I’m able to bring all of that all of that advice, all of that wisdom that you know, hard earned wisdom to my readings with people so very conscious in terms of consciousness, in terms of consciously being able to guide people I feel very experienced and able to do so. Now I have a feeling that you’re talking about intuition. I’m talking about psychic abilities. Yeah.

 

However, you know, it’s really a fine line. It’s such a fine line between trying to predict the future and tell fortunes versus change. Anil from the from the collective unconsciousness, right? So I will let people know what I’m feeling what I’m sensing when I feel it or when I sense it in a reading and I’ll be very transparent I’ll say I am picking up this message, okay? And I’m offering it to you in relationship with your cards, you can take it or leave it as as It’s alright. It’s when you come to a reader who’s like, your house is going to burn down next, Peter would be careful with that kind of thing. You know, that’s when you started want to be like, What’s going on here? This isn’t really feel like this feels like a person who’s trying to scare me or manipulate me into buying more sessions, right? So so you know, there are people who claim to receive what they call downloads from spirit. And, you know, I’ve depending on the person and the end my feeling or my gut check around the person, I may or may not believe them. But um, I don’t personally talk that way. Because I find a disconnecting. I want you to understand that we’re both humans here having a human experience and a connecting around something that tells the story of life essentially, okay, which is that what the tarot cards do. And so I’m not trying to present myself as someone other than human or someone better than human or more advanced than human, because that is your first sign that you’re dealing with someone who doesn’t understand what it means to think deeply about being human.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, yeah, that helps a lot. And I think it’s great to kind of like have a BS radar for people to I do think it’s in general, you know, tarot card readers or anything that that goes to like predicting the future. Are they reading my behavior or whoever, however, they’re doing it being legit or being a scam artist? It’s hard sometimes not to have your guard up.

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, yeah.

 

Emily Merrell  

I don’t know. Yeah, I’m sure you felt this to where you’re like, you don’t want to they’ll ask you do you have siblings? And you’re like, Huh, yes. I mean, you try to give as little information as possible. Have them through it actually goes back to the people I’ve been the most impressed with. In in my life so far have been mentalists I don’t know if you’ve been at a party. Oh, yeah. And you’re like, how, you know, they type in six numbers and then tell you to multiply it by how old you are and then divided by the size of your foot and then it’s your address?

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, it’s really like men mentalist that’s, that’s a really whole other thing, you know, like very, very different. And the way that they are able to observe behavior in a sort of like, a micro micro behaviors to like, create a story through deduction and induction to like, you know, predict what a person is going to want or think or what a certain thing thing is going to be is really, I mean, I think it might be a science and but I would love for someone to like to look more into that. There’s one person whose name I can’t remember, but he’s like the most famous mentalist, and he is a Londoner, there was a big profile on him in the New Yorker. And it’s all about Yes, yeah, I saw him. You did? Yeah. He talked all about how he starts to be talked all about how he goes about doing his thing. And it starts even before anybody sits in, sits down in the theater. He’s observing people in line. He’s seeing everybody and what they’re doing and how they’re doing it. And what happened in the news that day. It’s really, really, really fascinating and interesting. I don’t know how much it has to do with Tarot. But like you and I share that that is fascinating.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, the curiosity. I saw his performance. I’m blanking on his name.

 

Jade Rivera  

I can’t think of it either. Yeah. It’s something

 

Emily Merrell  

I remember when my friend she worked in Broadway. And she was like, This guy. He’s huge in London, like, you have to go see him. And I saw him. I don’t even remember what it was called, like the play was called. But at the end of it, essentially, exactly what you said he had had pictures of like Tigers up all night and like all these certain things, and then he calls these people to the audience who, who react to his hypnosis and whatnot. And they’re all drawing pictures exactly what he wants them to draw. And you know, and like there’s a grand reveal at the end and I’m just like, How did this happen? Are these just these people hired like, this can’t be legitimate. I want to meet these people.

 

Jade Rivera  

I know you just have a you leave with like so many more questions, then you shut up with.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I mean, I think I’m like you at the skeptics mindset where you’re like, No biggie Yeah, no that’s that’s great. Yeah, but anyways yeah so going back to tarot card I think, I think that was a great answer just like you know you you try to give us or It sounds like you try to guide their problem without necessarily predicting the future.

 

Jade Rivera  

Right right and you know, there’s only so many ways the situation can work out

 

Emily Merrell  

right have you had any crazy experience as a tarot card reader or as an intuitive where you’ve met someone and like been overwhelmed by a feeling or a presence or

 

Jade Rivera  

absolutely I said yeah, yeah I mean there’s being intuitive and there’s being empathic and there’s being psychic and those words all mean really different things to different people. So I my sense of empathy and my my heart is very open my mind is very open and I’m able to you know, pretty easily slip into another person’s perspective or frame of mind to see what might be important to them in a given situation. And so that’s that is a talent that I have it’s inborn. And it’s something that through life circumstances through study through just the way life has unfolded for me that I’ve been able to really hone and be it and build over time to be a real strength that’s front and center in my life.

 

Emily Merrell  

So it’s so interesting how personal experiences built so much of that for you. They they have to train well So switching gears a little bit you know, I I follow you on Instagram and I love your Instagram and I saw that you have a growing clubhouse following as well. Can you tell us about what that clubhouse is? Like, are you guys yeah,

 

Jade Rivera  

yeah, I am really proud of what we do on clubhouse. So my club on club houses, it’s not in the cards, and you can find me j Rivera and follow me please, you know, if you wish, and we meet on Mondays and Tuesdays on Mondays we offer something called public inquiry where I read for a group and then I tell you what I see in the reading and then people have the opportunity to sort of ping off that and talk about how the interpretation is relevant to them. It’s also a chance for other readers to come and like learn and learn from each other. And then on Tuesdays, I offer single card readings by donation you know, anybody who wants a quick Tarot shot can come to can come sign up and I’ll pull your card and you know, you can send me a donation but no one’s turned away for lack of funds. This is really a community effort. So it’s something that I’m proud of and that I enjoy very much.

 

Emily Merrell  

That’s so cool. Okay, so we said Monday, Tuesdays and Thursdays,

 

Jade Rivera  

Mondays and Tuesdays at four PST so six yes T and then seven yesterday.

 

Emily Merrell  

Wow. Awesome. I will definitely be checking that out that’s related to leverage clubhouse and then how else can we learn more about you and your services and working with you if you’re interested in booking

 

Jade Rivera  

I mean Instagram is really the best way to get ahold of me you know you I’m I’m to the point where I’m still open to DNS and you can book through the link in my profile and really just you know, I’m very active on there if you leave a comment on one of my posts I will talk to you back I I love social media for being social and I think that that’s that’s unfortunately that’s something that’s gotten lost in the last few years but you know, we’re really there to talk to each other and so I like doing that a lot on my account

 

Emily Merrell  

that’s so cool. And I think that’s a great way to you know, ask you the the burning questions that you have in your Instagram handle, is it also it’s not in the card? Yeah,

 

Jade Rivera  

it’s it’s not in the cards with an underscore between each word.

 

Emily Merrell  

So good. It’s such a good name. I think that is that ironic, maybe ironic. I love it. I love and I mean of puns at every event that we host people it’s kind of hard because you’re talking and you’re like, I think this is resonating, but they’re all on mute but you see their faces reacting or you see them be like oh my god, Emily, another dad joke.

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, well, no, you got to you got Yeah, you got to

 

Emily Merrell  

i think i think they’re, I think laughter is like the best medicine and they have like the last lines to prove it now. Well, switching gears Jade I think this is awesome. Thank you so much for sharing your, your background and just your story into into Taro. I think It’s so beautiful to see the evolution from this like school aged Jade to adult Jade taking what was like a bag of tricks or a book of tricks, so to speak into like something that you’re passionate and turning into a career or turned into a career. So that’s extraordinary. But before you go, I love asking six best questions for six degrees society, we don’t have time for 20 questions, although that’s what I’m known for. So we’ll stick to six today. My first question for you is, tell us an unknown fun fact about Jade.

 

Jade Rivera  

I used to be a chemist, so I’m actually a Fulbright Scholar, and have done novel research in Thailand. I graduated with a degree in organic chemistry. And I worked as a chemist for a long time and had a pretty successful career. But the culture of hard science was just not for me.

 

Emily Merrell  

Oh my god, that is insane. What a what a 360. Or 180 That’s amazing. Um, I met someone recently who is a food she makes she grows the lab created meat. That’s not cool. Yeah, plant but it’s, you know, made, sells a fitness enthusiast and wants to start a fitness company. And I’m like, I love that I love seeing. I love the fact that you can’t judge a person by what they do, like, well, that’s

 

Jade Rivera  

just women, right? Women are amazing. Like, they’re just full, you know, just spheres of wisdom and curiosity. And, you know, motivation, and it’s just a women are just the best,

 

Emily Merrell  

really are so multifaceted. And I have to say with our events, one of my favorite things about them is how easy it is to see the title of a chemist or a lawyer and make an assumption of how that person you think will be. And then you read their bio and they’re like, talking about their love of Margarita is or their, their huge obsession with like, bad Netflix and, you know, being able to kind of like spell out their personality versus just hiding behind that title. That can be very limiting. Yeah,

 

Jade Rivera  

it’s a great time. It’s a great time.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, it’s a good time. Um, my next question for you is who would be a dream person you’d want to be connected with and why

 

Jade Rivera  

a dream person to be connected with I have really only had one hero in my whole entire life. And that is Kim Gordon, the bassist from Sonic Youth. She was the first person I ever looked up to, and she continues to be one of the only people that I look up to. She’s really made her art in her life on her own terms, and the way that she managed to manage us to stay relevant and super cool. Even though she’s becoming you know, beyond middle age is very inspiring to me. So yeah, hello.

 

Emily Merrell  

So we have to find her. If she’s listening. Please call G.

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, please get to you.

 

Emily Merrell  

In exchange for a private show. I love that at speaking of shows, are there any shows that you’re currently watching or have recently watched that you’re obsessed with?

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, made for love is so good. Have you watched made for love yet? Oh my gosh. It’s like It’s like a sci fi not too distant future. This?

 

Emily Merrell  

Oh, yes. This is Yeah, on HBO, where she has the channel.

 

Jade Rivera  

Yes, this guy he basically like, you know, kidnaps this woman in a in a cage and a gilded cage, and then puts a chip in her head and it’s just like, it’s this dark comedy that just exposes so much about the way like men and women operate together so often and and just how technology has affected that it’s just a fascinating commentary on modern life. And I just, and also it’s hilarious, so yeah, very into that show.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I watched the first episode. I have to keep watching but you know, after she, she orgasms he was like, great. Your orgasm. Oh my god. Like, why was it only satisfactory? Like how can we improve?

 

Jade Rivera  

It was really yeah, that show that show is has got a lot going on for it. And it’s very interesting,

 

Emily Merrell  

but have you watched? I’m kind of similar on that theme is called the one. No, oh, okay. If you liked me for love, I think you’ll like one too. But it’s basically the scientists who are able to find out like how, find out that every single person has a soulmate on the planet for them. And you can submit your DNA you basically like submit a piece of hair, and they’ll match you with your soulmate and And you know for some the divorce rate rate is now increasing throughout the the world people are leaving their partners because they’re so curious to like find the one and it’s it’s like a murdery kind of who done it?

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah. Yeah

 

I can just see my like, like my one being like a spider monkey one of your one was like an animal I can just see that happening

 

Emily Merrell  

or something like he’s like, maybe like a talkative person. It’s like, do you do you believe in the idea of soulmates? No,

 

Jade Rivera  

no, no, not entirely. No, I believe that we know there are. Yeah, not entirely. It’s so then there are multiple ones.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I have Yeah. I think it’s very situational. I think we can it’s timing. Rain person at the right time has a lot to do that. But absolutely. And also like multiple great loves in your life, every person that you have loved at some point in your life, I think is like a stepping stone to who you are now. Yeah, you

 

Jade Rivera  

know, you have to question why are we so why? Why? And how did we get the programming that we needed? Only one? Right?

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I think it goes to him. Like goes back to dystopian times where?

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you can see how that would be like a great great fantasy to propagate to control someone.

 

Emily Merrell  

Totally. Yeah, I think there’s and also like thinking back to like movies that affect movies and music, like every Disney movie was like, my goodness, your prince charming. Also, they were 16 years old, or like 17 years old, every single princess in it. But yeah, it’s I think it’s deeper and darker. And I agree. patriarchy. Oh, anywho. But yeah, watch the one. You’ll I think you’ll really like that. And I’ll pick it up. I can’t wait to hear Yeah. Hey, my husband’s like, why are we watching the show? Again? This is terrible. Like, it’s great. So yeah, that’s, that’s why I want to read Philip. Yeah. What about a book you’re reading? Is there anything interesting that you’ve read?

 

Jade Rivera  

Yeah, yeah. Um, let’s see. Right now I am working through the ones in future witches. With the Alex and I think the last name starts with an H, but I’m not certain. And that’s been that’s been a really beautiful sort of escape type of book. And then the other book I’m making working my way through in in a group that I’ve studied with is called the descent of alette by Alice Notley who is a poet. And so it’s a poet prose book, that kind of correlates with, in some ways correlates not completely correlates with the myth of anona, the original Sumerian goddess, so it’s but it’s updated, and it takes place on a subway. It’s very, it’s, it’s fascinating. I suggested,

 

Emily Merrell  

okay, I feel like this could be a whole new podcast, like we I’m sorry, what is this? What is this myth? Yeah,

 

that’s amazing. Okay, so I suggest both those things very much. Okay. We will put

 

those in the notes. And then my other question for you is, what is your favorite and or most used emoji?

 

Jade Rivera  

Oh, yeah. Well, it’s my most used emoji over the last year and couple of months is the one that’s going with his mouth open and it’s shots, and then it has a little X’s over the eyes. Thank you. I was like I am right now. Oh, god,

 

Emily Merrell  

I’m so happy to hear that. I’ve heard so many like hearts. And I’m like, give me the good ones. Like, let’s be real. My favorite

 

Jade Rivera  

if you if I send you that emoji, you know that I’m having a real moment on Monday, but also really works because it’s x and x. So it’s like, time and time, which is funny, you know? So I was like this, it just works in so many levels.

 

Emily Merrell  

We’re getting very meta with emojis. My final question for you, Jade is Who gave you the permission to do the thing you wanted to do in your life?

 

Jade Rivera  

Well, you know, I think we, I think really the permission has to start with ourselves, you know, there’s like a self permissioning and that’s the most important and, you know, in terms of where, you know, but also you can you want to be able to see a path, right. And a lot of people, a lot of people in my community in the spiritual community. You know, They have big they got they got big feelings big energy about the rise in popularity of Tarot and astrology amongst younger people and people becoming practitioners without very much experience and all that is true and concerning, undoubtedly, but I love it. I think it’s great. I love that there are so many people who are into it and talking about it and open because it made me realize that, you know, this is something that I’ve done forever and never been talked about. There was no space for it. Anytime you brought it up, people roll their eyes, like what do you do to safety? Like, no, it’s actually like a really deep practice. And I’ve cared a lot about it, like, you know, like, but now because there’s so many people talking about it, so many more people want to know about it. And so I just want to thank millennials and Gen Z, like, like thank you for because, you know, I’m like last year for Gen X. And so I just want to thank them because they’re sort of embracing of it and experimenting with it and then Soozee Azzam over it, you know, however much they do or don’t understand it, has really paved the way so that more people can can be more open about their practice in a beautiful way.

 

Emily Merrell  

Yeah, I think that Gen Z got they were screwed. I mean, that’s great, but like they’re gonna take over the world. It’s amazing. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I’ll have opinions and voices and ways that I think our generation was kind of still taught like, Wait your turn, stay patiently in line. Who you know, don’t talk until you’re spoken to type of thing. I don’t think they really ever had that. But yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. So Jade, would you be comfortable reading my Tarot on this podcast?

 

Jade Rivera  

Absolutely. Happy to. Okay, well, your card. Okay. All right, here it is. 10 of cups. Oh, my gosh, that’s the one that I had before. I know, wild times, right? cups are associated with the element of water. And water is a symbol of our emotional language, our emotional reality, and our feelings in general. So what we see here is a full nuclear family standing below a rainbow with 10 cups, sort of completing the rainbow or as a part of the rainbow. And so this is an opportunity to stay mindful towards what’s joyful. So really looking for moments of joy throughout your day. And punctuating them with your sort of your conscious gratitude. These moments don’t last right, rainbows aren’t forever. And, and that’s why it’s particularly important to acknowledge them and to sort of bask in their in in the art of a rainbow in the moment, right, a lot of us pullover, point them out, stop and stare for a little bit. What if we approached all joy in our life that way? You know,

 

Emily Merrell  

I love that. So resonate, thank you, I will definitely start implementing more joy. Joy is one of my words for this year, too. So that very much fits. Thanks. You’re welcome. I could talk to you for like six more hours. But the essence of time. Thank you so much for being a part of today’s show, and sharing your wisdom with us. And listeners, please check out Jade Check, check out her Instagram, it’s not in the cards. Check out our clubhouse if you want a pole as well a live Tarot fault. You will be seeing me there and tune in next time to the sixth degree. And if you liked today’s episode, give us a like, give us a review. We’ll see you next time. Thanks again, David.

 

Jade Rivera  

Thanks so much. Bye Bye. Have a great day.

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